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Old 06-02-2008, 06:34 PM
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The time line is.....IMMEDIATELY
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Old 06-02-2008, 07:02 PM
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Yeah...

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The time line is.....IMMEDIATELY
...ain't it cool?!?

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Old 06-02-2008, 08:05 PM
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Time Line?

6 months for Engineering Review & inital startup
6 months for first sales of biocrude
12 months for facilities for large scale biomass & biocrude deliveries
12-48 months for facilities buildup for reactors "work areas"
20th Reactor installed ???
100th Reactor installed ???
200th Reactor installed ???
400th Reactor installed ???

I have no idea and it's really early to assume anything, but I think it's good to speculate on the next 6 to 12 months
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Old 06-02-2008, 08:50 PM
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What is your opinion on the time line provided for the Asian deal? How is that coming along?
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Old 06-03-2008, 03:37 AM
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We can't even speculate on a time line

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What is your opinion on the time line provided for the Asian deal? How is that coming along?
for Malaysia, King, because we don't know where they are in the negotiations.

We know the Borneo board member put some initial money up front, but don't really know what happened after that. Since they haven't PR'd the completion of their initial commitment, it's not unreasonable to assume they're still trying to hammer out the details that will make it possible for all parties to proceed with confidence.
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Old 06-03-2008, 10:18 AM
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Non-Dilutive Debt 101: by Prof. Wechoose

Grab your coffee folks, and prepare to take notes! The Village People are awash in I.Q this morning and their cortexes are cerebralling on all cylinders...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

This a little confusing but...

Non-dilutive means shareholder equity isn't affected. Shareholder equity is a line item on a company's balance sheet. It is the one variable line which is what's actually used to balance the assets and liabilities. When assets and liabilities are determined (see 10K's and/or Q's), they are never in balance (but must be by accounting definition). The difference needed to balance them (plus or minus) is inserted as shareholder equity -- how much dollar value of the company the shareholders own.

Another way to say it is, if the company were taken apart and sold for its asset value, how much would each shareholder get? On the balance sheet, the total dollar value is divided by the total number of shares outstanding. Thus the per share equity value can be lessened (diluted) by an increased number of shares.

Whether a company finances itself via selling shares or borrowing doesn't translate into dilutive or non-dilutuve as the PR would seem to be saying. The key is what the financing buys. Financing that pays for comensurate assets is non-dilutive. If funds go for operations they are always dilutive.

As far as share value in the market place, each company is given by the market a total dollar value. This value is divided by the number of shares outstanding which becomes the share price. As the value of the company, the market cap, goes up or down, the simultaneous share move is either dilutive or accretive.

Thus, the number of shares there are in a company is one of the two paramount items used in determining the share price at any given time. The noting in this PR that the "deal" isnon dilutive is actually saying the number of shares outstanding aren't affected.

Most financing of non-filing penny stocks is done via convertible loans because the companies don't usually have assets to secure them. These loans are intended to be repaid from operations built by the loans. So the lenders generally require protection of their position via clauses that allow them to accept stock in lieu of cash in payment. Any difference between the cost of that stock vs the market price can also be dilutive or non-dilutive along with the asset value the loan paid for (if any).

Anyway, when a company announces a $2 billion dollar financing deal and that it's non-dilutive, it means that shares haven't been issued to cover the funds so assets have been pledged. If the funds can convert to shares sometime in the future, the actual effect upon share value will be found in the filings as a co-line-item with current shareholder equity as "fully diluted shareholder equity". A lesson for another day.

I hope this helps. Stocks can live in a confusing world and when you add the jargon, it can be daunting.

Here here! Well said Professor! Well said! Whatever it was you just said...

Parson "Daunted" Mac

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What Constitues A "Serious" Shareholder: by Prof. Glowy

For those of you who missed the first lecture at Village Stadium, Prof. Glowy, who hails from across The Pond, can be heard in I-Ville Hall on the importance of being a "serious investor".

DISCLAIMER: I took the license of some VERY minor editing for clarity, I was sure the Prof wouldn't mind... why, I doubt he'll even notice!

And now... Professor Gloworm responds to a fellow (non-serious by his own definition) investor...

"My fellow investors... what (exactly) constitutes a MOST SERIOUS investor?

I must take it from what you say that you are not a serious share buying person in SSTP (unless of course you yourself have purchased 100's of millions of shares!). But how could you be? You do not know the share structure or how proper the accounting is. Cad!

I, like many, are most serious when buying shares (sniff)! Especially in SSTP!!! I know that the sense of words, when written (as opposed say, to spoken or digitally stored and played back), can be interpreted in many ways by many, many people; therefore, my take upon your definition of quote, serious buyers, unquote, is, or as follows, the few that buy 100's of millions of shares.

Whereas the many who buy (merely) thousands of shares are not serious share buyers, in SPITE of the fact that, between them, they own 100's of millions of shares.

So please, pray tell the class, what DOES constitute a serious share holder?!? Please!!!

200 quote "non-serious" unquote share holders with 500,000 shares an average each = one serious shareholder with 100 million shares (in my book).

Who is buying the blasted shares makes no difference if it is not published (OB-viously). Twit.

So... the question before us today is thus... "Which will influence the price more, one serious buyer buying in small lots so as to manage the price to their advantage, OR, 200 non serious buyers buying to get a their part (or 'piece' as you Yanks say) of the action?

Are you saying, fellow non-serious investor, that serious buyers won't buy until they see reporting, so they are out of the game for now?

So, according to YOUR take, it looks as if the potential of SSTP cannot, will not, and must not overcome their anxiety about reporting.

I suppose a 2 billion dollar finance package for Baytown plus expertise and tech cooperation from a well established SA company and JV for LSole SA plant renewals, isn't going to start a sniff or two (sniff-sniff). REALLY.

I thank-you



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Old 06-03-2008, 11:51 AM
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By ecky thump!!

What is it they say " two nations divided by a common lanquage" Reckon I can live with the interpretation, thank's for the translation Parsonmac but Prof ? Thats a different kettle of fish.Tell you what read this over the week end struck a chord. Comes from a book "Westward Ho" written by Charles Kingsley in 1850's he is from my home town of Bideford North Devon,the story starts in the town.Won't bore you with the details today.This was on page one first paragraph.

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" Who dare despise the day of small things, when it is proved to the dawn of great ones"

Make of it as one will after translation of course.

Keep smiling me 'ole Mucker. That be an old West Country term of friendship aprox translation to Yank speak:- old Buddy.
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Hey Glo!

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Thank's for the translation Parsonmac but Prof ? Thats a different kettle of fish.Tell you what read this over the week end struck a chord. Comes from a book "Westward Ho" written by Charles Kingsley in 1850's he is from my home town of Bideford North Devon,the story starts in the town.Won't bore you with the details today.This was on page one first paragraph.

Quote:-
" Who dare despise the day of small things, when it is proved to the dawn of great ones"

Make of it as one will after translation of course.

Keep smiling me 'ole Mucker. That be an old West Country term of friendship aprox translation to Yank speak:- old Buddy.
Well, you made some good points. It was worth the read and worth re-posting over here. And love the quote from Westward Ho. I'm not sure which is the more relevant to SSTP... your quote or the opening from that little dime-store novel on the French Revolution, "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times. It was the time of faith, it was the age of doubt..." Guess we're gonna' find out eventually.

Keep smilin' yourself Glo! A day without smiling is a day wasted! What a charming colloquialism, 'me ole' Mucker', why, I'm flattered.

But what does 'by ecky thump' mean?


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Nice to hear from pennimon again (raging bull)

And you're a good man Jack Sparrow! I KNEW you'd let him off the hook.

That even a pirate what commandeers the likes of the Black Pearl can show such mercy just brightens the whole gosh-darned day!
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